Monday, April 6, 2009

Have a burning question inside me, Can you help?

Thought of putting this question as a comment. Decided to make it a post, as many people may not wish to see or read comments (such as the Invisible Thief/PM/MANISH SRIVASTAV??(don't know him/her/it)/anybody else.

I am about to begin a post thanking the Invisible Thief (he/she/it). I hope people are not going to be angry at me. I do not want any curse on me please.

Thanks to PM/MANISH SRIVASTAV/Anybody (he/she/it) for exposing our vulnerability that is the willingness to share our comic treasures freely which we all love and we do that by spending our time and resources. None of us are compensated for what we do. It can also be a thankless job if people don't take a couple of minutes to comment when it takes a couple of hours to scan and post it. Why are we doing it? I don't like what I am about to say, I am thinking we should all stop sharing our treasure (ease of providing download links) to the rest of the world.
Guess what, eventually somebody will sell these scans in some format or another and it may already be happening. I am beginning to understand the value of private comic sharing clubs now.Some folks pay money for providing an FTP server and owner of the group provides access to the team. The server costs are shared by all for a nominal annual fee.

Why not create such a team? The only problem is who takes the initiative and how commited can that team be? The last one I joined did not have many Mandrake fans and they had no material to scan. The group was primarily devoted to Phantom & other characters. I will not name the group publicly but you know who. The owner is one of the greatest Phans I have come across and I will always remember his efforts.

Luckily Indrajal comic fans are plenty and have the material for scanning. Now that Indrajal comics are almost done, where do I find a team having interest in Mandrake scans?
At least, I have a few books and good contributors. That was the reason I started this blog to get Mandrake Fans come together and build the library with time. I did not expect thieving minds to take away the download links and post them elsewhere (without my consent)

Sure, scanning a comic can be considered plagiarism if and only if I am using the story as a template to create a new version or any story using those characters and if I sell that story and make some money without giving any to King Features. I do not think we are falling into that category. I hope somebody who knows more can enlighten us.

In that aspect, the blog from now on will need to just talk about the comic or the story and all sharing has to be off limits to such blogs that the Invisible Thief or people like him wants to gain from us. Let me know if this will be the right approach. I am sorry for the genuine comic fan but there are other ways.

My question to the Invisible Thief is he/she/it created the blog for people who come to just download and later may sell it he/she/it is making it even more easier, WHY?
Unless he/she/it is one among them.

82 comments:

Indrajal Comics Club said...

i beg to differ

you are not doing it for money, but peeyoush is also not doing it for money

if you did not take any consent from ( we all) KFS before starting a blog, peyush also did not take ours!!! simple

somebody can download frm his blog and sell those scans then the same person can come to ur blog and do the same thing,, as piyoush is also giving links alongwith comic

Apoorva Chandar said...

ICC, a huge ad banner is the left hand side of PM's blog. You might have not noticed it if you are running some adblocker. And ads=money. Quite simple.

I would also request the blog owner and ICC to read my comments in the latest post of Prabhat's booksandcomics blog.

Phantom And Mandrake Fan said...

ICC, How do you know peeyoush is not doing for money? Are you in touch with him? TO START a blog one does not need consent, but to take links already posted in other blogs on the very same day or the day after, it would be appropriate to contact the blog owner. Besides, KFS does not post Mandrake comics published 65 years ago. If they did, I need not had to start a blog.
That is exactly my point, WHY is Peeyoush helping the person who cares only for the downloads, there may be many already scouring the blogs....I am glad we have a common ground for the last point

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Anonymous said...

Posting comics that you do not have reprint rights to post is not plagiarism, but it is piracy. If you want to see Mandrake continue and expand, rather than taking away a possible source of revenue from King Features and Mandrake's creators, why not start a letter-writing campaign requesting reprinted collections? Piracy is responsible for the loss of billions of dollars every year, and for every dollar lost, that's one less dollar that can go into the production of new comics.

Phantom And Mandrake Fan said...

Apoorva Chandar, welcome to the blog. You are very correct. Just read your comments on PBC blog, fantastic. If you don't mind Can u put them again here. Thanks

Phantom And Mandrake Fan said...

Anon,
Thanks for the links....Appreciate you taking the time to comment.

Apoorva Chandar said...

As per your request Phantom and Mandrake Fan, I am posting the same comment i posted some time ago at prabhat's blog.

After visiting some of the respected comic blogs which have been around for many years, its become quite apparent to me that most of bloggers are angry that PM has stolen their links without their consent.

Its totally understandable because lot of effort and time goes into scanning, editing the scans and posting. And for the uninitiated, let me tell a few things about scanning. On an average, a 30 page comic will take about 30 mins for scanning at 300dpi. Editing (straightening the pages, removing artifacts, improving contrast, etc etc) will take some more time. This is just one part.

Now comes the posting part. Some bloggers just put some
info from Wikipedia or give no info at all sometimes. Of course, its personal choice. But when it comes to Prabhat, he takes pains to do proper research regarding each ACK before he posts. And his efforts have to be lauded. Kindly visit hmindia or some of his older posts in ack-media. Prabhat's posts themselves are a wealth of information , apart from the comic itself.

And then, the uploading. Since I always upload HQ scans, each 30-32 page comic will be ain the range of 45-50 mb. And most of the times, I keep myself awake till 2am or get up early and upload these comics.(Reason-BSNL happy hours from 2am-8am). Of course, people will unlimited data plans dont have this issue.

So, scanning a comic, editing it,uploading and posting it is a time consuming and tedious process. I am sure many followers of these blogs have many comics and a scanner too. But not many come forward with scans. Why? Its for all the reasons mentioned above.

Sometime back, when aXXo had taken a break, a group/person by name KLAXXON(which sounds quite similar to aXXo) started bringing out torrents and everyone started posting nasty comments on his posts. They were disgusted that KLAXXON was trying to get some cheap publicity while aXXo was on a hiatus. A similar thing is happening here.

While the idea of PM of putting all comics under one heading is a good idea, i think the best way for him to do it would be to post the covers and then give the link to the original post at the bottom and not post any direct download links. Since he will be giving links to the actual posts and not the download links, the question of him thanking the contributor wont arise because the visitors will eventually be redirected to the original post. This way, even the people posting and contributors wont get offended. Also, you can follow a numbering system , [preferably one of the more authentic and verified ones]. I know this will involve some work from your side, but i am sure its possible.

Also, with regard to ads, nobody in the comic blogging community likes ads. These comic blogs get lots of visitors everyday, sometimes thousands every month. If the blog owners wished, they could run ads themselves and made cartloads of money by now. But they are not doing it. Thats why, its my sincere advice that you make your blog ad-free. You cant profit from somebody else's work. Its very wrong.

This unfortunate incident has shaken up the comic blogging community. People will be more more wary of posting comics now. At the end of the day, its the comic book fan who will suffer and none of us want that to happen.

And a small addition here: Everyone knows about piracy and the implications it has. Piracy can harm companies, harm nations and most of all cause great deal of hardship to individuals who are responsible for the work of art/ writing the software, etc etc. But sometimes, not always, without piracy, information cannot be spread to all corners of the globe. Take these comics for example. If nobody had started scanning and posting them , would so many people come to know about IJC/ACK, etc? Definitely not.

If you check on the net, some of the most pirated software and music cds are some of the best selling too.

Piracy can be reduced, by making products more affordable. Why are Chinese mobile phones so popular? They offer lots of features at a fraction of the price that the major cell phone manufacturers quote. of course, they dont come with a guarantee and proper IMEI number (can be used for terrorist activities), but nobody can deny the fact that these phones are being sold in millions in india and elsewhere.

Today,if i am asked to download a hindi movies, i wont. I would rather go and buy a moser baer dvd which are so affordable[this despite the fact that i am a member of many good private torrent sites with loads of hindi movies in them]

And one more thing that everyone should realize, pirates and hackers are always one step ahead. Recently, the Swedish government introduced something called as IPRED [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPRED]. But the popular torrent site piratebay came up with something called IPREDator[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPREDator]!!!!

Phantom And Mandrake Fan said...

Anon,
Piracy exists in various forms. Agreed seeing the links. The point is if these were available NOW where I could BUY, there would not be a need for this blog. Take a look at my visitors and that will tell you the interest in reading those stories.
I am pretty sure if we all come up with a letter to KFS, they may consider it, but the question is then to find the publisher willing to take on the project and consider the amount of time and effort it will take for them to publish 3 or 4 years worth of stories. I do not know if any publisher will come forward to post 65 to 70 years worth of stories. Matter of fact, Pioneer stopped publishing the Sundays stories at 1956 after 10 years of stories were published, WHY? Dwindling fan base, huge cost of printing and limited profits. Compare that with Phantom, you will find lot more publisher including Hermes Press (http://mandrake-comics.blogspot.com/2009/02/115-d120-smugglers-luck-from-11-mar.html) coming forward lately. I don't see that with Mandrake. Hence the need for this blog. I currently have subscription for DailyInk having the recent Mandrake Daily stories, so KFS should really consider posting old content, but I doubt that can ever happen. European Fan base is larger for Mandrake and you can see that in French & Italian editions. One of my Italian contributors was angry at me why there were so limited prints of stories in English as I think he was pissed off at me for asking him stories in English.

Phantom And Mandrake Fan said...

Apoorva, Thanks...Email me when u get a chance.

Apoorva Chandar said...

Sure, i'll send you an email soon.

Anonymous said...

Simple answer: pm wants you to stop blogging.

Why don't you get this? He started posting links. All parties - scanners, bloggers and readers - disapproved. He continues... He posts anonymous comments on blogs supporting pm. He disables comments on his blogs and expands his base to include Frew...

Why do you think he is doing it? He wants to irritate you. He wants to hurt you badly. He is enjoying the attention. He will be very happy when the scans stop. Why - I don't have an answer but he might be jealous, a competitor whose blog has fallen by the wayside, a parasite who wants to make money from ads etc. It doesn't matter. He wants you to stop and doesn't care for all other fans.

What is the solution? a. Form a private group (bad idea - which will make it even more tempting for that guy to steal and post publicly and become a hero legitimately) b. Stop posting (as if he cares) c. Ignore (best idea imo).

Don't give unnecessary publicity. The world is made up of heroes and losers and masses that don't care. You cannot let a loser change your life or lifestyle. As the Buddhist saying goes, if you are upset with something, do something to change it. If you cannot, why let it upset you?

Sorry if I am blunt, but as someone who enjoys your blog very much, I am upset that you might close shop and play into the loser's hands.

Phantom And Mandrake Fan said...

Anon,
Wow What a message. Thanks for your time and input. Am glad to know you enjoy the blog and my efforts. Will figure out how to keep going...

adibud34 said...

Well, I would hate to see all my favorite blogs getting shut down or becoming closed communities, and thereby preventing newer fans from accessing them. So, please do think about that - if we do anything that restricts access to people due to the fault of one person, then that's akin to punishing everyone else.

I think if we just stop publishing that guy's address, and ensure that it doesn't crop up again, nobody will go there! So, his efforts are probably meant for people that don't comment, just download etc!

So, I think after a while he will stop on his own. Nobody can be that altruistic that they can go on maintaining a dead blog with no comments, no interaction etc! So, let him continue on with his blog; we'll just ignore it and not give it any more prominence!

Venkitachalam Subramanian said...

Balaji,
Like I mentioned to Prabhat, we just need to continue just as if the "PM" dude did not exist.

Like we have to live with radical Islam or rogue nations in this world, we just have to live with the "PM" dudes.

Indrajal Comics Club said...

bala,

do you really have the subscription or do u still extract those strips using madu's software? -))))))))
just kidding,, don;t take it that way

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what apoorva said is very very truee and i do not deny it, thats why i always said that a blogger/poster is equally important as the scanner/contributor

but i still beg to differ as this is not a case of "stealing " your work and posting as his own..
he gave proper credits to all blogger and i dont find anything wrong in that...

once again i'm telling you that I DO NOT KNOW THIS PERSON, SO, I DO NOT KNOW HIS INTENTIONS.... WHAT I SAID WAS ONLY RELATED TO COMICS AND NOTHING ELSE

INdo_MaNdrAkE said...

#VENKIT: Is not it simply encourage PM aka MANISH SRIVASTAV aka *** ,who's constantly stealing links AND HENCE discouraging original bloggers???

And again for those who think PM doing no wrong job,as scans r NOT anybody's personal property...while it's true,BUT THERE'S A basic DIFFRENCE in his act from others...PM simply posting links of THAT VERY DAY/DAY AFTER Links only(which just appeared in other blogs)!!
Why he doing this,is not it to discourage that blogger who invested so much energy to prepare a post JUST TO SEE it's link appeared in some OTHER blog & that too within few hours??? what's the meaning of DOUBLE-POSTING @very same day/day after???

If he'd posted broken link/old links/new ones,no body shud had any problem....BUT WHAT HE HAS DOING??? He simply check every blog/everyday,then simply post THAT VERY DAY'S PROVIDED LINK by immediately lifting from those sites.....if he want to help,why he didn't start wid old/broken links as there are many like that????

But he'll never do that,as he simply wants quick fame and as well some QUICK MONEY too(as pointed by APPORVA too!),as @very 1st day he started posting ADs,in between the two successive posts - A "SPECIFIC" STYLE AND WHICH MEANS MORE advertisement(& more clicks,in tht matter) only!!!

INdo_MaNdrAkE said...

#ICC: U saying it's NOT stealing,ok,then WHY PM Mnever contacted any bloggers??if he don't have any guilty feelings???he has so much "concern" for visitors,but he has none for those who posting??AT LEAST,HE GETS THE MESSAGE THAT ALL Bloggers r very disapointed...but still he didn't contacted any,AT LEAST Prabhat,who posting in bulk and WAY AHEAD of other bloggers' frequency/amount wahtever!!!!

INdo_MaNdrAkE said...

By the way,ICC,you may not know PM but know MANISH SRIVASTAVA very well...and also learnt by now,MANISH is PM only!!! ;_)))

Amith Nag said...

Balaji, neeve heeLidange "Nayi bogaLidare deevaloka haaLagatta"? I think its better to just ignore this PM trouble monger and carry on with the great job you guys have been doing for so long. I am seeing so many "hate" comments with people talking about piracy and copyright laws, etc. Its sad to see this nice little community entering this bitter phase. I juts hope everything will get back to normal soon.
Amith

Jai said...

Hello mandrake-comics blogspot.
I will just repeat what I said in Prabhats blog.
Delete all the nonsense comments from your site. Do not give these gang, a platform to air their views.
Please continue your postings as usual. You will have this die-hard fan of yours along with thousands others, visiting your site and enjoying.
Jai Hind!

AJAY said...

Dear Bala,
What I just feel that PM is just jealous of your & Prabhat's blogs , as others are almost not posting . In case , you read the comments of PM , you will come to know about the writing skills , u can easily idetify the person .
Once we all come toghether to scan & post , he can not do any thing . PM has deliberately done so that you both of you stop posting comics .
I hope now if you post all these , there will be no effect at allon trafffic on your blogs , One good news is that I have almost scanned rest of Phantom & Mandrake comics excepting #16 if ICC scans & posts ( has been pending since ages) , all will come to an end of Indrajal , then we can share something else too .


Ajay

vishy said...

In terms of piracy..why is it popular..take the example of mp3 music..companies restrict legal owners with their so called "DRM", that it becomes frustrating instead of enjoyable to listen to music and make ur own library..in the name of DRM, the legal user is the loser, and piracy has not decreased one bit..but it has pushed sales,since people want to buy original music after listening to the pirated one..take the case of ebooks, they cost a packet(much costlier than your paper version) and they tie you with DRM, in case ur reformat ur HDD, you have lost your ebook which you LEGALLY purchased..you cannot open..it..all people want is small pleasures in life..just listen to music and read ebooks (BTW ebooks is environ friendly,but that benefit is not passed on to consumer)..Hence, we get the "small pleasures" in life unfortunately through pirated work. Moeser Bear, is a classic example where they made it so cheap, that it is not worth the effort to download..if only others had the same sense..
Hence, PBC, ICC, ACK, etc bloggers, your efforts are greatly appreciated. Please do not let one rotton egg, take that away..

Prabhat's Books and Comics said...

@ICC: Many visitors & mostly bloggers understand from start, what is happening.

For a fake name, you were hurt, and blamed some person who had abused in “comment sections” only. Never in 1 year give a prove, or chance to track incidents. You claimed that searched home addresses & privately blamed. Am I true, ICC? Or you will say, you had not said this thing to many. After 1 year you said it publicly again, when all forget it. Now acting as peacemaker, I was not expecting such things from you. You like to say on back, please allow us to say on face. Is it not dual standard, ICC?

Who are dreaming PBC & some active bloggers will stop, not suspecting we are calculating 5 steps ahead. We just encouraged fake persons to write some more to show real face. :)))

Do you not understand? As much people tried to disturb me, I was simply increasing post and was avoiding public conflicts. Still I didn’t published some deeds with proof publicly. Do you want this from me? You have copy of such mail, hope you remember, it was not long ago. Jan-Feb comes after March in same Julian Calendar, I think none forget. I can understand, he’s your friend. But why for P.M., unable to understand? Very interesting.

If it’s organized attack at me, at least dropped Bala ji blog. He is one the coolest person. Dedicatly going in one direction only with Mandrake. Or there is anger why I’m asking all to forward him all Mandrake Comics. If it’s, at least I know Bala ji, more than 18 months through blog. Newcomer Raj has started 100% Hindi IJC blog. Ask him, Ajay & Anurag, did I not request for sending him all Hindi IJC? Some IJC sent to him with mutual understanding or I posted later some Hindi IJC explaining him all situation (contributor wished to see in B&C blog). If you have rights to post or not as you wish, at least honor those persons desire who shared scans with all of us. Majority does not like it. Do you not see he is making money through blog?

You are here earlier than me, know major contributor of IJC Ajay, can say him directly to help. :)))

Market is down, you have plenty of time, scan & help him if none would agree to send, you have nice collection. First you disappeared, then come back and promised and disappeared. We are waiting #16.

You can say, do not have time, but at least in last 5-6 last days given min 5-8 hours favoring PM. In this period, neither posted nor send him to post promised #16. E-mail was in his profile. :)))

I’ll like say still you are my favorite blogger #2. Sorry #1 remains TCP and don’t try to involve him here. I also noted his behavior, if he do not like something, just avoid. First, such comedy (if I’m not wrong) was started at his blog.

@The person(s) who is (are) writing with various fake ID, my suggestion pls ask someone to write for you, many could easily guess. Sorry now changing style is not going to help, forget to suggest you earlier.:)))

Prabhat's Books and Comics said...

ICC: Forget to say, my English is too POOR, I'm atrong in Russian. Apolize in advance for using many times "I" too. Hope the friend who are counting "I" will help to find out how many times "I was used.

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